I'd give it up if I were you mangaman. Mutsumi Logic™ seems to suggest he doesn't want England to win (anything, at all) because he doesn't want to hear people talk about their victory afterwards.

International tournaments usually make for a better watch than your average Boro match, so I'll probably tune into a few. Will be supporting England because to do otherwise would make me feel like a traitor, though I often wish we had a British football team (it would probably be better).

Supporting Germany.

If Germany don't win, i'd like to see one of the...'lesser' teams win.

In the world cup, most of the most successful teams are European. Does the absence of Brazil mean so much? Let time I looked, they were pretty much the only non-European team that regularly put up a good challenge for the world cup.

How would 11 Englishmen winning a game against 11 Spaniards be worth any less now than in two years time? The quality of the team is not determined by the presence or lack thereof of other teams, so a victory over whoever should be worth just as much commendation.


It is pretty much just football which I oppose England winning at. The common English football fan behaves in a manner I dislike, as do many of the players themselves. I'll support England in other sports, but more because I might find the particular sportsman to put on a good show and be a likeable character. Jensen Button, for instance. His performance in the wet is why I like wet races so much; he puts in such a good race, and he is a nice character too. I no longer support something just for being British. A nationality is just a label, it does not bestow and special quality on anyone or anything. We're just a bunch of humans doing things anyway, what does it matter if that person is English, British, Iranian, Polish or Japanese?

I would also prefer a British team rather than an English team. Why divided anyway? At the Olympics we have Team GB, why not for football?

Glad to see I'm not the only one choosing to support a different country for this tournament.

tl;dr: I can't think of a witty summary, so you'll just have to read the long version. Sorry.


I also like to support the underdogs. I feel that if a weaker competitor wins, they must have really worked hard for it in order to overcome the odds.

Was the last time you looked 8 years ago?

Mutsumi is such a great forumite. He really makes this thread readable for me.

England and Ireland for me.

We do have an Team GB football team (men and women) for the Olympics, whose first match is a friendly taking place in Middlesbrough in July, first against Brazil.

Of course, this whole Team GB thing does raise a problem, namely trying to get the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish football fans to all try and get along, when secretly they rather play on their own. Most likely the only trouble with hooliganism would be amongst ourselves.

Obviously not, because 8 years ago was the Euro 2004 tournament.

A+ for trolling.



Teo

And yet still no one attempts to disprove my statement by providing evidence to the contrary. Come on then, if I am wrong, prove it, and I shall concede that point. Show me a non-European team that frequently gets to at least the quarter finals and has won it before also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World ... ntal_zones

The only teams that regularly get to the quarter finals of World Cups are Brazil (10 times), Italy (8 times) and Germany (12 times). After that there are several teams that have reached that stage 5 times (Uruguary and France) and 4 times (Argentina, Holland and Sweden).

So on that evidence the best countries come from South America and Europe.

In terms of World Cup winners, it has been won by a European country 10 times and a South American team 9 times.

As for a Great British team - in the long run it won't happen as each of the home nations have their own FA and league. It has only happened this time the Olympics is being held in Great Britain so their was a call for a GB team. when it is next held overseas there won't be a reason for it anymore.

There we go, mangaman74 knows how to play this game. Good info there. It asserts that while my statement was in many ways correct, it was not flawlessly so. So I still say a Euro victory is worth almost as much as a World Cup one.

It was so very nearly though. And in my eyes it will always be flawless.

You pretend to know anything about football, get told you're wrong by people more knowledgeable than you and make them provide evidence. Stop embarrassing yourself.

The evidence provided supported my statement. You are welcome to either prove me wrong, or go away and stop trolling.