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Title: The UK DVD Market - Why the wait?
Category: Industry Commentary
Author: Lewis
Published: Mon, 17 Dec 2007

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The DVD market is a weird and wonderful thing these days. With a lot more variety and a greater range of genres to pick from things seem to be on the up and up. But is this really the case? There are advantages and disadvantages of the UK being further down the food chain than our big cousin, Mr. USA, The focus of today’s article is the waiting time between Region 1 and Region 2 DVD’s. Are we getting the short end of the proverbial stick? Or are things better than 5 years ago? AUKN have dispatched me to find out.

So we all know the story, you find that new hit show from the latest anime season and you fall head over heels in love with it. Thankfully some other fan subbing otakus share your thoughts and it gets licensed in the USA. Great news! It sells well in America and now some company here decides to pick it up too. Well that’s all fine and dandy, but from it being announced to sitting on your shelf can take a considerable amount of time.

It’s understandable that some fans feel frustrated; many of them decide to use the cheap imports available from the states. With a strong pound to dollar value and a region free DVD player all the headaches can be put to rest. But we British are a patriotic bunch and would rather support our own, or at least that’s the general consensus. But when you take a look at some of the release dates from Revelation then really, it’s easy to understand why.

    Mushi-Shi
  • Volume 3: 18 February 2008
  • Volume 4: 19 May 2008
  • Volume 5: 18 August 2008
  • Volume 6: 17 November 2008

9 Months between 4 volumes, that’s just ludicrous! Granted these dates aren’t set in concrete but even going by estimates it boggles the mind. So this raises two questions. Why is there such a long delay? And is there anything that can be done to get around it?

The best place to begin with is the industry itself and there is no one better to ask than Beez Entertainment. I spoke to Andrew, head of marketing, to try and shed some light on these issues.

Q) Andrew, in your opinion, what is the biggest problem/delay/setback in getting a DVD from the various markets to our shores?

A) The biggest delay is licensing and material acquisition - if you want a title then it is far more cost efficient (to the power of 3 or 4 times minimum) to wait for it to be released in the USA so you can acquire subs, dubs etc without large costs. Otherwise the time it takes to have dub and subs done etc mean that you may well be releasing in parallel to the US with similar costs to what they had. If you end up in this situation - it usually means you're almost certainly going to be making a loss....unless you did it alongside somewhere like Australia or such.

Runners up are when materials are not sent on time or you want to do something really special for the UK market box-wise or such.

Q) Would you say the UK industry as a whole suffers because of this lag? Due to people importing rather than biding their time for the shows to come across here?

A) You know - in the old days the lag used to be a great problem - almost insurmountable at times. Now though I think the face of the problem has changed greatly - now the gap between releases is very small. You can have the latest titles often in the UK no more than 1 or 2 months after the US - a lot like films in fact!

Now the problem is the fact the dollar is so weak against the pound - what motivation do fans have to buy a UK title versus the cheaper import? That's the problem we now face on the importing frontier I think, which is a step up on what it used to be at the very least!

Q) So what about online distribution. Is this the way forward? For example a pay per episode download service.

A) Difficult question there actually as it depends on a variety of issues it has to be said for many reasons. For one there is no business model that has been greatly successful outside of the iTunes shop and XBox Live so far! So it comes down to a matter of seeing what the pioneers in the area take as well as how well it works out for them commercially.

My personal belief is it's not so much "the way forward", but it is at the very least a path to attract certain people to the series who would try it for just the video content that they could download and own. It's my firm belief that at the end of the day that a sizable sum of people still want something nice, shiny and tangible they can own instead of just having the files on their computer.

Q) Finally, any of your own thoughts or questions that you may want to put forward to the readers?

A) I'd just like to thank everyone who has so far stuck by the UK market despite the problems it may have had - we are all trying to bridge the gap here so support is greatly welcomed! And to those who don't at present - I hope given time we'll be able to persuade you that it is worthwhile to help us out :)! We're trying our best as with .hack//Roots to offer extra incentive but we need your help to keep going with this!

Now that we have a response from the industry, let’s see how it compares to what their customers think. I went to the AUKN forums for some answers.

Q) In your opinion, what is the biggest problem/delay/setback in getting a DVD from the various markets to our shores?

A1) By Kupoartist - Local distributors being local arms of Stateside / European companies with skeleton crews of PR people and little else. We always wait for what the rest of the world deems worthy of licensing and get hand-me-down cover-art, DVD masters and what have you as a result, so it hardly feels worth that wait. Whilst the comparative size of the UK market makes it hard to imagine any kind of different scenario, there could be a hell of a lot more to be done in terms of consolation. In fact, where other industries (say, Computer Games) give European users more extras to keep us happy, the Anime industry tends to give us less.

A2) By Hopeful_Monster - Don't have any real problem with the more recent series getting to our shores, as the lag time is a lot shorter than it used to be. At least they generally let you know if it is going to be released over here before it is over there. My main gripe is with the older series, eg Scrapped Princess, El Hazard or Mahoromatic season 2, good series but unlikely that we are going to get it over here.

Q) Would you say the UK industry as a whole suffers because of this lag? Due to people importing rather than biding their time for the shows to come across here?

A1) By Akaten - Not really, I do import some shows, but I tend to give UK companies some breathing space to sign 'em up first, such as with Flag, I hope Beez will release it here, but if say after 6-12 months it doesn't look likely I'll import.

A2) By Mcicy - I always import, it’s cheaper. I have a multi-region DVD player and it saves waiting for the UK releases.

Q) So what about online distribution. Is this the way forward? For example a pay per episode download service.

A1) By CitizenGeek - I much prefer having the physical product. However, I think such an idea would be fantastic.

A2) By Chaz - Probably the physical product. If we paid for the file download, and be able to keep on PC/burn to CD, then I may do it for the larger series. But I'd rather have the actual product.

And finally some messages from the fans to the industry;

  • “If I've got £20, I'll spend it on nine hour wrestling boxset over four episodes of anime, or maybe 12 episodes of imported anime. Your stuff is too expensive!”
  • “Prices need to be cheaper. I understand they can't be dirt cheap as I’d like them to be. But really, they don't have to be £15-£20 either. How much money do they think we have? I'd happily pay £10 for a 5 episode volume. I think that's fair. ”
  • “If you can, find a way to get around the American licensing problems - negotiate with the American and Japanese industry if possible, and get them to agree on something more reasonable. If not, then more (box sets), more (extras), more (anime).”

So that gives you some idea as to where we lie with the whole situation. If you’re expecting a clear cut answer in this article then – sorry to disappoint – you’re looking in the wrong place. With a subject like this there is no clear cut answer, that’s why it makes it so tricky and so frustrating to try and get to the bottom of things. For some clarification in my findings I turned to my fellow AUKN writers, and I agree with most of the points made.

There is a network of problems that are found not just in our market, but over the whole industry. Contracts, timelines, products, money – These are all linked and if one goes wrong then everything else is pulled down with it. But that’s not to say that the UK market is in doomsday, no three horses of the apocalypse here. If anything it’s at its highest since the late 90’s boom. But we can’t always rely on new titles to bring in the money. Every year there are classics going out of print and unless its uber popular then there’s not much we can do about it.

So what do we need? Well I can only guess. But what can we do? Well we can continue to buy rather than import (Price and Time pending) or we can wait for a box set (Product pending) or we can disregard everything and simply download (Morals pending)

But on the whole, what we really need is more people like Andrew from Beez. If the companies aren’t involved with their customers how can they know what they want? (This works both ways) With the minute budgets of companies, the internet and forums really are a god send and to not use them as a marketing tool is just idiotic.

Make of this article what you want. But it’s interesting to see what is happening on both sides of the fence. There is a way forward from this, but what that is we just don’t know. I would like to thank both Andrew of Beez Entertainment and the users of AUKN.

I will leave you with this piece by a fellow writer, Martin.

“Don't give up on us! The industry's suffered all manner of setbacks over the years but it's getting better, slowly but surely.”

12 responses to "The UK DVD Market - Why the wait?"

1. Comment by Gareth

I buy UK DVDs when I can but it isn't very often sadly. I can just about forgive Initial D, Case Closed and Prince of Tennis not being out over here, I flat out don't expect Cats Eye or Urusei Yatsura to ever be released over here but for Haruhi or even Dragonball Z (the wrongly named release of a couple of movies doesn't count) to not be released just means I have to spend my hard earned money on importing anime and holidays in the states just to go anime shopping.

I know there's a lot more coming out in the UK than there used to be and I am grateful but there is just so much else stateside and if I can't get it the UK, I won't buy a different series I like less just because it's available in the UK.

Posted on Tue, 18 Dec 2007.

2. Comment by Dale

I used to buy more UK ones but now I buy many more American, the companies don't support the fans so I don't support them. That 'extra incentive' in .hack//roots is just a booklett from what I could tell and since American and Japanese buyers usually get free things anyway this isn't much difference. Especially to say we'd still get charged more. We get the stuff slower since they want cheap dubs (take it from America) and we often don't get some of the titles so as far as I'm concerned I don't care about supporting the UK market till they support us.

Why should we wait 3 months to pay more and get features cut? The worst thing is that they cut features and rip us off with box sets or bring them out years later. Azumanga daioh box years later, Escaflowne boxset $40 or £50 each (since they decided we should have to buy it twice).

All they have to do is meet certain terms and people would be happier, no cuts (in the anime content, no feature cuts, 2 month release period from America, same boxsets or better (why did America get an advent children special edition and not us?)and no friggin charging us more.

Posted on Tue, 18 Dec 2007.

3. Comment by Dale

Also why are we getting charged more if we are not licensing it directly from Japan just some lazy sub license of America. The interviewee seems to be saying we also wait for an American release so we can take there subs and dubs but then why doesn't that reflect in the price either? Seems they're just charging us for a rehash of an American product and they also tend to cut features too which is the most annoying thing. I'll buy from them when they treat me the same as the Americans get treat.

Posted on Tue, 18 Dec 2007.

4. Comment by Kyoko Hunter

I believe that there is scope for the UK distribution companies and UK arms of US companies to negotiate with their American partners and prepare simultaneous releases both in America and the UK - since we both speak the same language, wouldn't it be easier to not drop things like extras and basically just have a Region 2 encoded version of the Region 1 release? I suspect though that UK distributors would rather wait for a series to sell well across the pond instead of taking a risk on a unproven series in the English language. Is this strategy flawed? With the ease and cost-effectiveness of importing these days, many fans will already own DVDs of a series before it is released in the UK officially. I would certainly be interested for the industry's opinion on why simultaneous releases don't happen.

Posted on Wed, 19 Dec 2007.

5. Comment by Gundam Junkie

What I don't understand is that both we and the Japanese have the same DVD Region code (2).

Correct me if I'm wrong but surely it would be easier and cheaper to get the licence direct from the studios rather than relying on the Americans to deliver our Anime fix?
After all, it has to be put into Region 1 code for the American market then transfered back into Region 2 for the British market.
I don't if this is the same situation in Europe.

Maybe it's over patriotic of me, but I really don't like having to rely on the damn Americans for Anime.
I would much rather buy a British-licenced product than an American one.
Maybe even more British dubs.

Posted on Wed, 19 Dec 2007.

6. Comment by Mohawk52

things seem to be changing toward more on-line distribution as I write. One need only go to Anime News Network to see more and more reports of new sites coming on line for the purpose of legally downloading anime for either just viewing or burning onto a disc for archiving. I too perfer the dubbed DVD in the wrapper type of thing, but many just perfer to view a title without actually wanting to buy the disc in the package. PPV would be a plus and getting UK access at the same itme as US access wopuld only be a win-win situation for both company and fan. I understand the market is seperate but with the move to on-line distribution future negotiations will have to start talking about global licneses rather than just the US now, then Europe, the UK, etc.

Posted on Sat, 22 Dec 2007.

7. Comment by Jerome@Manga

One of the reasons why UK fans have to pay more for their DVD releases is that it costs a lot more to produce a DVD in the UK thanks to the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification). They charge the distributor (the company releasing the DVD) 6 pounds per minute to review the content, plus 75 pound admin fee for every disc submitted. E.g. Naruto Unleashed is 3 x discs with 13 x 25 minute episodes. That means it costs Manga 2,175 pounds just to have the BBFC watch it and give it a 12 rating! Now, with Naruto, that is not such a problem becuase we will definitely make our money back and those box sets are great value for money at less than 20 quid generally for 13 episodes in dual language, but for a series like Intial D, Dragonball Z, GTO etc where I would have to commit to taking between 52 to 105 25 minute episodes the cost is astronomical and unfortunately there is sod all chance I will make the cost back. The problem really isnt with the Japanese licensors askign for ridiculous advances. Its the flipping BBFC and small size of our market. So, in my opinion the 2 main reasons frustrating growth of the UK anime market are the BBFC and the lack of decent free TV coverage for anime aimed at teens and adults.
Digital Sell through and rental like download to own and video on demand, and streaming video will revolutionise the business over here as it means the BBFC and productiona nd manufacturing costs will be taken out of the equation. At least a majority of fans who want to watch the shows they like will be able to do so, it just may mean they wont necessarily get the finished packaged Region 2 box set they would desire. Happy New Year eevry one.

Jerome x
Manga Entertainment Ltd

Posted on Thu, 27 Dec 2007.

8. Comment by Jerome@Manga

BTW, sorry about all the typos. I am using a Croatian keyboard! And if you think anime fans in the UK have it bad you should see what its like over here!

Posted on Thu, 27 Dec 2007.

9. Comment by Darren

I am appalled by the wait between some anime (look at the wait between volumes for Karas!!). But at the end of the day I can see why. When I first started watching Anime, I remember all these UK companies popping up who dubbed there own anime (anyone remember Crusader Video), funnily enough they didn't last very long.

In the same respect though, I have imported stuff becuase I thought it would never reach these shores, Naruto, Bleach, Death Note, all are now here or are coming to the UK, and I WILL be buying them, despite having imports to hand, but I WANT to support the UK Anime distributors.

I think the UK market is GREATLY underestimated, but I don't have sales figures and the like to hand to support that, we are honoured to be able to switch to Anime on our TVs now, with 'Rockworld', 'Anime Central' and 'The Anime Network' on Propellor, albeit only for a few hours a day, but as interest grows so should the viewing times (I hope)...

I agree with Jerome, the BBFC are the main sticking point with a lot of the cost related issues we see, they are simply a shower of b*****ds, £6 a minute is extortion, ESPECIALLY when you HAVE to go through them to release anything over here in the UK.

BBFC, if you are listening, people HAVE to go through you to get a classification, why not make your costs more acceptable by lowering them to something reasonable so that these savings can be passed on to the consumer!! Asses!

Jerome, what are you doing in Croatia, I thought Manga UK was in London??

Posted on Fri, 4 Jan 2008.

10. Comment by Chris

I imported quite a lot of Patlabor as I am a huge fan. Beyond licensing the first two films I had to import the 3rd and the various series. I have (or will have) both of the super Beez special editions and the old Manga releases on VHS and DVD.

This is for a series I absolutely love. Most I don't or don't know I will. I would rather I could buy all my series in box sets as the single packs are beyond the must haves a waste. I wonder how much stock of volume 3 and above Beez or the like shift? surely it would be better to sell series or half series for £30-40 many times than kill any momentum in a series with high prices and long release schedules. I personally don't mind waiting for full series be they a year later.

Being able to buy a cheap digital copy of some of the early episodes from the publishers site. Maybe with the option to buy direct the series with a discount of those episodes would certainly entice me.

I know margins aren't huge, but you have to make anime more enticing than competing entertainment. When I can buy 3 series of BSG for £40 or the entire first gen of Transformers (4 series) for £30 of course times will hard. I do find individual releases generally an unnecessary waist of my and the publishers money. Surely the smaller production costs of a box set sold in larger quantities would make better sense.

P.S. please release Irresponsible Captain Tylor

Posted on Fri, 4 Jan 2008.

11. Comment by Lewis

Darren, Anime Network is no more. So that's one less avenue to find free anime on a regular basis. However Anime Central is still keeping our hopes alive.

Thanks for all your responses and thoughts guys.

Posted on Fri, 4 Jan 2008.

12. Comment by Dave

Another problem I've noticed is the lack of shelf space in my local HMV.It wasn't too bad a while ago, but since xmas, the shelves are nearly empty. As its the only store in town to sell anime,the only option left is the internet, and I like to browse!

Posted on Mon, 7 Jan 2008.

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